I met with the head of production at Sony and everything and told him what I wanted to do. It’s so funny. I think it would be much more about physical attraction. We heard a woman yelling, “Help!” Help is such a fantastic word because it’s pointing for everyone but at the same time pointing at me personally, you know? Then they come back five years later and they still haven’t done anything. In order to rebrand him, they suggest he date a famous girlfriend to book more jobs. I think Michael Cera I could do something with him that’s not been done yet. It’s a combination really. It’s called Triangle of Sadness. Has Hollywood come calling for you to start directing big studio films? Basically I thought of it as a horror movie. And he’s getting bald. I have been really quite interested in how beauty is a value that you can’t transform into economics. But hey, maybe that video will make it possible for us to be nominated this time! It also won and this year’s Palme d’Or at the Cannes Film Festival and will be setting its sights on the best foreign language category, representing Sweden, at this year’s Oscars. So he can’t wake up his kids or his wife because he doesn’t want them to only live life on a spaceship. He’s number one. If you don’t have an education or money, you till you can travel in society. The anglo saxon film industry is obsessed with Cinderella stories. No. And she is a lesbian! I love this idea of. I was a little bit scared of doing something in English before The Square but I think it worked out quite well. It’s easy for me to identify with doing the wrong thing. The film is so much about the social contract and what is the expectations of our roles and how we should behave. Well, we were really disappointed, of course. Yes. Did I hear that’s something that actually happened to you? Yes, I really like to look at human beings in this way. Yes. Yes. You need someone next to you. What I would love is to be able to use more of the American actors. So this story is about a male model. When Force Majeure wasn’t nominated — a travesty! My wife, she’s a fashion photographer and she has been telling me so many funny stories over the years about the beauty industry and the fashion industry. In Sweden it’s called “trouble wrinkles” — when you have a lot of trouble in your life, you get the sadness here but there’s good news because you can fix that in 15 minutes with Botox. Michael Cera. The Square — starring Elisabeth Moss, Claes Bang, and Dominic West (in theaters now) — skewers the art world and society. It seems like all your movies really like to look at that gray area between what our instincts tell us what to do versus what society does. I remember hearing about your proposed idea for last year’s Passengers — which sounded super dark and crazy. Space Tinder! We thought: What should we do now? I’ve produced all my movies with my own production company. I combined that story with something that happened to a friend who did actually track down her stolen cell phone. I think a lot of people didn’t know if it was real or not. Swiping, like, “This one is hot!” But come on — he falls in love with her? He grabbed my arm and was like, you and me, let’s create a group. I think there’s so many things to investigate in the ritual of interviewer and subject. One of my favorite clips on YouTube is about a cab driver that mistakenly ends up being interviewed in a live broadcast on the BBC. I was on my way to my office in Sweden and there were a lot of people on the street. And the main guy should have his family on board in the sleeping pods. We chatted with director Ruben Östlund when he was in New York City for NYFF about life after (the magnificent) Force Majeure and what it’s like when Hollywood comes calling. Totally. My behavior is very dependent on what is going on around me. If someone is asking you for help and you get robbed? The male model has been the face for Hugo Boss and at the same time as the hair is getting thinner and not growing anymore. Who is on your wish list? What is your next film about? So it will really be about the economic system and how every single individual worries about becoming their own brand. Anyway, this woman is running at us and she looks hysterical and like in the movie she throws herself to the guy next to me and is saying, “You have to help me, he’s going to kill me.” I was forced into playing the hero. I was so proud afterward! But I also think it’s important to keep control of production. I’ve had so many friends go to the U.S. And to look at me that way, too. There are so many actors here that have super potential that is not being used one hundred percent. I wasn’t robbed but what I liked about it was this guy next to me broke the bystander effect. So he has to wake up another woman. It’s when you have that wrinkle between your eyebrows. ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: Doing back-to-back interviews like you are doing today seems just weird enough and ripe for satire that I wonder if it will end up in a future movie of yours.RUBEN ÖSTLUND: I’ve actually thought about that before — I was thinking of doing something like that right before I made Force Majeure. That makes the dilemma of the film so much stronger: what do you need to really existentially survive? So much about live television is that everyone is so scared of creating chaos. Then we realized we could do something fun with it. There’s not one word that makes any sense at all! — for an Oscar you made a really funny video where you pretend to freak out. The Square features chaos too — starting with the protagonist getting his wallet stolen in a scam on the street. and get caught up in… the machine, yes. We recorded me screaming and crying outside the frame later. The journalist believes he’s an expert on internet rights and he starts to play around. It’s humiliating.